Grayling, claims moral superiority
That people who use scientific rational thought thought to inform the choices they make are morally superior to those people who do not. They are morally superior to people who are merely guided by their conscience or by shared cultural values, religion and other "unsupported" belief systems. In other words that Grayling himself is, personally, morally superior to religious people.
When I challenged Grayling on his personal morality his response was was very interesting. He produced a long litany of his "good deeds". Now what this tells me is that he, and Dawkins and others like them, are, in reality, aspiring to be the new priesthood.
Increasingly they are linking scientific thought and rationalism with morality. They offer themselves as our guides. Isn't this the story of all priesthoods since time began. More and more the humanists - atheists have the support of the capitalist establishment, increasingly irritated with religious minded people as they "irrationally and scientifically" get in the way of turning humans into completely exploitable commodities.
The implications of Grayling's position are reprehensible and disturbing.
1) Only experts should be allowed to decide what is right and wrong.
This idea is profoundly elitist and undemocratic and in direct contradiction to the values of the enlightenment of "Liberte, egalite verite" that people like Grayling purport to espouse. But, of course, Grayling's ideas are representative of the way Britain has been run for the last 110 years since the French revolution - Britain has been run by "an enlightened" elite desperate to keep one step ahead of the the British people.
2) Morality is the subject matter, the poor little squeaking Guinea pig, of scientific method.
The premature ejaculations in scientific journals by neurologists and evolutionary biologists, with their highly speculative accounts of human behaviour are presented as explanations of human morality. At first tentatively and now increasingly stridently. We don't have the scientific Madison Grant, but we have his heirs.
From brain scans and analogies drawn from biology pseudo-scientists explain that there is no such thing as "morality" Instead what there is is selfishness and self interest disguised as morality. What you think is moral is not, so let us tell you what is really moral.
3) Morality can be deconstructed into moral "atoms." In other words social and religious morality doesn't actually determine what is really moral. It shouldn't have a say in what should or shouldn't happen, it is only a cultural skein that can be unwoven by a bit of science.
So ones moral rejection, for example, of experiments on embryos or embryo screening, to late abortions or euthanasia, can't really be taken seriously and at face value. It is not moral or rational at all, according to Greyling, Dawkins and their scientific - philosophical acolytes.
According to Grayling and the humanist priesthood, these visceral rejections at what seem to be morally reprehensible acts are completely deluded.
Because to them, these are not moral issues at all. They can be deconstructed into their constituent parts by experts and then played with by rational utilitarians to produce optimum moral outcomes.
New utilitarian ideologies of control arise, new ideologies for technocratic elites to browbeat the foolish people into accepting GM crops for example.
To parody Baroness Warnock:
Grayling's sermons are insidious. They are part of a new ideology, an ideology with the aim of concentrating moral power in the hands of technocratic elites and and with the purpose of allowing the establishment to do whatever it wants in the pursuit of profit so long as - in the long run, the establishment can give a convincing utilitarian account of its manipulations.
The priesthood is dead, long live the new priesthood.
That people who use scientific rational thought thought to inform the choices they make are morally superior to those people who do not. They are morally superior to people who are merely guided by their conscience or by shared cultural values, religion and other "unsupported" belief systems. In other words that Grayling himself is, personally, morally superior to religious people.
When I challenged Grayling on his personal morality his response was was very interesting. He produced a long litany of his "good deeds". Now what this tells me is that he, and Dawkins and others like them, are, in reality, aspiring to be the new priesthood.
Increasingly they are linking scientific thought and rationalism with morality. They offer themselves as our guides. Isn't this the story of all priesthoods since time began. More and more the humanists - atheists have the support of the capitalist establishment, increasingly irritated with religious minded people as they "irrationally and scientifically" get in the way of turning humans into completely exploitable commodities.
The implications of Grayling's position are reprehensible and disturbing.
1) Only experts should be allowed to decide what is right and wrong.
This idea is profoundly elitist and undemocratic and in direct contradiction to the values of the enlightenment of "Liberte, egalite verite" that people like Grayling purport to espouse. But, of course, Grayling's ideas are representative of the way Britain has been run for the last 110 years since the French revolution - Britain has been run by "an enlightened" elite desperate to keep one step ahead of the the British people.
2) Morality is the subject matter, the poor little squeaking Guinea pig, of scientific method.
The premature ejaculations in scientific journals by neurologists and evolutionary biologists, with their highly speculative accounts of human behaviour are presented as explanations of human morality. At first tentatively and now increasingly stridently. We don't have the scientific Madison Grant, but we have his heirs.
From brain scans and analogies drawn from biology pseudo-scientists explain that there is no such thing as "morality" Instead what there is is selfishness and self interest disguised as morality. What you think is moral is not, so let us tell you what is really moral.
3) Morality can be deconstructed into moral "atoms." In other words social and religious morality doesn't actually determine what is really moral. It shouldn't have a say in what should or shouldn't happen, it is only a cultural skein that can be unwoven by a bit of science.
So ones moral rejection, for example, of experiments on embryos or embryo screening, to late abortions or euthanasia, can't really be taken seriously and at face value. It is not moral or rational at all, according to Greyling, Dawkins and their scientific - philosophical acolytes.
According to Grayling and the humanist priesthood, these visceral rejections at what seem to be morally reprehensible acts are completely deluded.
Because to them, these are not moral issues at all. They can be deconstructed into their constituent parts by experts and then played with by rational utilitarians to produce optimum moral outcomes.
New utilitarian ideologies of control arise, new ideologies for technocratic elites to browbeat the foolish people into accepting GM crops for example.
To parody Baroness Warnock:
"There is nothing wrong with people being convinced or convincing themselves to die, if there is a rational utility to it."
In opposing euthanasia the church is being anti-utilitarian and irrational, according to the new technocratic priesthood. Ultimately, the implication is that all life is commodity. Any moral reaction you may have must first be mediated by an expert priest of scientism like Grayling, and calculated before it can really be "moral". This crowd want to mediate our morality, just as all priesthoods have since time began, in the interests of the elite.Grayling's sermons are insidious. They are part of a new ideology, an ideology with the aim of concentrating moral power in the hands of technocratic elites and and with the purpose of allowing the establishment to do whatever it wants in the pursuit of profit so long as - in the long run, the establishment can give a convincing utilitarian account of its manipulations.
The priesthood is dead, long live the new priesthood.
- if ever there are castles made of sand then surely one of them is called respect,,its easily washed away by invective and hyperbole
by rancour and insult,,
your posts to Mr A.C.Grayling with an "a"are a tidal rip.
you sound drunk.arrogant,,and violent..i have no respect after reading them
and i am pleased to be the uneducated peasant if formal education and a lifetime of erudition result in the kind of tone that you project at ACG,,thread after thread,, - Really 3potato4? Am I reallyguilty of post-modern blasphemy? Heaven forfend.
i dont know post modern from a hole in the ground
ReplyDeletei think your rude,shrill and given to reading
completely between the lines,,
ps the slide player was winged eel fingerling
This is Basso profundo mate.
ReplyDeleteEels are a little unsettling. Winged eels more so. And Zoot Horn Rollo was a guitar player not a horn player.
And Zoot Horn Rollo was a guitar player not a horn player.
ReplyDeleteyes i was wrong
And, should it prove to be the case that he did not play the slide, then I too was wrong.
ReplyDeleteBut I think I am right.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFtnPSd4rds&NR=1
Elliot Ingber is an American guitarist. In 1966, he was a founding member of Frank Zappa's Mothers of Invention and was featured on their debut album Freak Out!. After being fired from the band by Frank Zappa, Ingber helped form Fraternity of Man, which released two albums. He subsequently joined Captain Beefheart's Magic Band where he was given the idiosyncratic stage name "Winged Eel Fingerling" by Beefheart (Don van Vliet). In 1995, Ingber reformed Fraternity of Man with original vocalist, Lawrence "Stash" Wagner to record and release a third album released under the Malibu Records label.
ReplyDelete[edit] Discography
The Moondogs: Moondog (195?, 7", USA, ??)
The Moondogs: Mooncat (195?, 7", USA, ??)
The Gamblers: Moon Dawg (1960, 7", USA, World Pacific Single #815)
The Mothers of Invention: Freak Out! (1) (1966, 2lp, USA, Verve)
Fraternity of Man: Fraternity of Man (1) (1968, lp, USA, ABC Records abc s 647) - feat. Elliot Ingber; incl. 'Oh No I Don't Believe It' (Frank Zappa)
Michele: Saturn Rings (1969, lp, USA, ??) - feat. Elliot Ingber & Lowell George
Fraternity of Man: Get it On! (2) (1969, lp, USA, ???) - feat. Elliot Ingber & Lowell George
Canned Heat: Hallelujah (4) (1969, lp, USA, ) - feat. Henry Vestine, Elliot Ingber
The Mothers of Invention: Mothermania (6) (1969, lp, USA, Verve)
Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band: Trout Mask Replica (1969, lp, USA, Bizarre)
Little Feat: Little Feat (1971, lp, USA, Warner Bros. records) - feat. Lowell George, Roy Estrada, Ry Cooder, Elliot Ingber
Shakey Jake Harris: The Devil's Harmonica (1972, lp, USA, ??) - feat. Elliot Inber
Captain Beefheart: The Spotlight Kid (6) (1972, lp, USA, Reprise)
Captain Beefheart and the Magic Band: Bluejeans and Moonbeams (9) (1974, lp, USA, Mercury)
Little Feat: Waiting for Columbus (1978, lp, USA, Warner Bros. records) - feat. Lowell George, incl. 'Don't Bogart That Joint' (Elliot Ingber, Lawrence Wagner)
Juicy Groove: First Taste (1978, Picture Disc, USA, Payola Records) - feat. Elliot Ingber
The Grandmothers: Grandmothers (1) (1981, lp, ger, line records 6.24636 ap) - feat. Various Ex-moi
Little Feat: Hoy-hoy! (1981, lp, USA, ??) - feat. Lowell George, Elliot Ingber, Roy Estrada, Ry Cooder
The Grandmothers: Lookin' Up Granny's Dress (2) (1982, lp, USA, Rhino Records rnlp 804) - feat. Various Ex-moi; incl. Zappa compositions
The Grandmothers: Fan Club Talk lp (3) (1983, lp, USA, Panda 001)
Frank Zappa: You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore vol.5 (58) (1992, 2cd, USA, Ryko)
Lowell George & The Factory: Lightening-rod Man (1993, cd, FR, Edsel Records) - feat. Frank Zappa, Elliot Ingber, Roy Estrada, Ian Underwood
The Grandmothers: A Mother of an Anthology (1993, cd, USA, One Way Records ow 28880) = compilation + extra tracks
Fraternity of Man: "X" (3) (1995, cd, USA, San Francisco Sound sfs 09930 da) - feat. Elliot Ingber, Lawrence Wagner & Ira Ingber; incl. 'Everybody's Rockin (r.collins)
Various Artists: Cowabunga! The Surf Box (19??, cd, USA, Rhino r2 72418) - incl. The Gamblers: Moon Dawg
Frank Zappa: The Lost Episodes (64) (1996, cd, USA, Ryko)
Frank Zappa: Mystery Disc (67) (1998, cd, USA, Ryko)
Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band: Grow Fins (1999, 5cd-box, USA, Revenant Records revenant 210)
Well that's very "informative". But what about the achievements of Zoot Horn Rollo?
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Did he play slide? And if he did, then I am right 3potato4.
Dear Zoot
ReplyDeleteI wonder if you could you confirm that you played slide guitar with Captain Beefheart to settle an argument.
Best wishes,
Phil Hall
By the way 3potao4 Zoot replied and he did play the slide guitar.
ReplyDeleteBacktrack at your leisure.