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David Cameron loses, has lost the debate on Europe - the EU - the European Community

What has the European Union ever done for us? David Cameron argues against greater integration with Europe. David Cameron: They've bled us white, the bastards. And what have they ever given us in return? Nick Clegg: Well, the single market. That's a pretty good idea. There are no tariffs on UK products sold in Europe you know. David Cameron: Oh yeah, yeah they gave us that. Yeah. That's true. Gordon Brown: And they've got rid of borders in Europe. We can work and live wherever we like in any European country. No problem. Nick Clegg: Oh yes... movement within Europe, David, you remember what the travel used to be like. Take out your passport. Why are you here? David Cameron: All right, I'll grant you the single market and free travel are two things that Europe has done... Nick Clegg: And the great European food. Italian, French, Spanish. Lovely. Where would Jaimie Oliver be? David Cameron: (sharply) Well yes obviously the food... the food goes without saying

David Cameron loses / has lost debate on the BBC between the party leaders of the Conservatives, Labour and the Liberal Democrats

[Live debate commentry at the bottom of this post] Red Toryism is a return to the smugness of noblesse oblige. "Will the Bullingdon Club be dining with you tonight Master Cameron? If so I'll cover the floors with plastic to stop the vomit. "Yes they will my man. Have a shilling for initiative. If only the rest of the hoi poloi took the initiative like you. Britain would be a much better place to live in for decent people like us." "Thank you young Master you are so kind." Do we really want to go back to this? David Cameron, you lost. We don't want to play those old Edwardian parlour games. Cameron is worse, far worse than Thatcher because of his "red" Tory philosophy. In fact this philosophy is not progressive at all. It builds on Fukuyama's triumphalist idea of the " End of History" . Red Toryism constitutes a serious attempt at retrenching Capitalism in Britain. Most ordinary people think something that probably goes